B17 Strainer/Filtering - What do you use

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Re: B17 Strainer/Filtering - What do you use

Post by WiseAssYT » Wed May 03, 2017 12:19 pm

MORON ! Your comparison isn't even close .

There is companies that handle this waste , and it isn't a recycling center . And it damn sure isn't the local trash landfill !

I know who to call in my area , they incinerate and do whatever they do with the ash.

Oh and since I have your attention ,Changing your signature to say your here to learn and then argue with those who tell you to keep learning cause you clearly don't know shit about this industry , you'll never learn anything. Go get that beltone.

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Post by SCOTTRODS » Wed May 03, 2017 1:21 pm

My understanding of regulations, is that anything under a certain volume, does not require you use a hazardous waste disposal company... I think the amount is 2000 gallons a year or something like that... maybe more... maybe less now, but at one time it was 2000... we have a hazardous waste facility near me I can take water oil and ANYchemical known or unknown, for no cost, as part of my tax paid services... there could be a limit to the qty you are allowed but I haven't been turned away yet...
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Re: B17 Strainer/Filtering - What do you use

Post by WiseAssYT » Wed May 03, 2017 1:52 pm

SCOTTRODS wrote:My understanding of regulations, is that anything under a certain volume, does not require you use a hazardous waste disposal company... I think the amount is 2000 gallons a year or something like that... maybe more... maybe less now, but at one time it was 2000... we have a hazardous waste facility near me I can take water oil and ANYchemical known or unknown, for no cost, as part of my tax paid services... there could be a limit to the qty you are allowed but I haven't been turned away yet...
Businesses have different rules to adhere to than a home hobby, The local town chemical drop will take paints and oils but they have a pretty big list of stuff they don't take.
Every state and municipality is different but corrosive acids have to be handled in a specific manner.

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Re: B17 Strainer/Filtering - What do you use

Post by [SM]Juan » Wed May 03, 2017 6:58 pm

Chrisyeager12 wrote:Your pepsi bottle is a hazardous waste is so said and same with your house hold bleach ? Do you call in the specialists every time you drink a pepsi or every time you clean your bathroom?
Chris, I have no horse in this race man (other than we all have to share this planet)... but I can assure from experience that a Pepsi soft drink and a barrel of B17 are very different things, and as such their disposal and environmental impact are treated differently.

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WiseAssYT wrote:Businesses have different rules to adhere to than a home hobby, The local town chemical drop will take paints and oils but they have a pretty big list of stuff they don't take.
Every state and municipality is different but corrosive acids have to be handled in a specific manner.
I agree with the differences... However the numbers I was referring to are actually EPA numbers... I don't know if things have changed since I read that stuff, but I remember reading the EPA regulation that stated the numbers... again, I am unsure the numbers as I was always "hobby/home" Never a brick and mortar set-up. But the maximum without recorded info was around 2000 gallons if memory serves me...The reference actually stated some basic info that put the regulations in place and noted what level of use/volume you could use even as a business, before you had to show any type of record of how it was disposed of... That's all I'm saying. I'm not saying anything about HOW you would be required to dispose of anything at all... just about record keeping and proving you're following rules. How one disposes of or not... would be their own issue. I evaporated off over 20 gallons last summer and the neighborhood stunk for it for weeks... once I dried up all the chemical, I scraped up and bagged the chips and hard stuff, and disposed of it at the hazmat place... They asked and I told them what it was... they took it and tossed it into a specific barrel and said "Next!"... I left. I would assume (I know... shouldn't do that) most of us even with businesses will never have hundreds of gallons of waste from our B17 each year... most so little (less mess ups, less stripping even) that we could do similar with our waste and use our home address for the disposal due to the low quantity.
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Re: B17 Strainer/Filtering - What do you use

Post by [SM]Juan » Wed May 03, 2017 8:19 pm

SCOTTRODS wrote:
WiseAssYT wrote:Businesses have different rules to adhere to than a home hobby, The local town chemical drop will take paints and oils but they have a pretty big list of stuff they don't take.
Every state and municipality is different but corrosive acids have to be handled in a specific manner.
I agree with the differences... However the numbers I was referring to are actually EPA numbers... I don't know if things have changed since I read that stuff, but I remember reading the EPA regulation that stated the numbers... again, I am unsure the numbers as I was always "hobby/home" Never a brick and mortar set-up. But the maximum without recorded info was around 2000 gallons if memory serves me...The reference actually stated some basic info that put the regulations in place and noted what level of use/volume you could use even as a business, before you had to show any type of record of how it was disposed of... That's all I'm saying. I'm not saying anything about HOW you would be required to dispose of anything at all... just about record keeping and proving you're following rules. How one disposes of or not... would be their own issue. I evaporated off over 20 gallons last summer and the neighborhood stunk for it for weeks... once I dried up all the chemical, I scraped up and bagged the chips and hard stuff, and disposed of it at the hazmat place... They asked and I told them what it was... they took it and tossed it into a specific barrel and said "Next!"... I left. I would assume (I know... shouldn't do that) most of us even with businesses will never have hundreds of gallons of waste from our B17 each year... most so little (less mess ups, less stripping even) that we could do similar with our waste and use our home address for the disposal due to the low quantity.
What you are referring to is what the EPA and local agencies call a Small Quantity Generator, that is any business producing less than 2,200lbs of hazardous waste a month. The next step down is 220 lbs a month, most of us generate more than that by the time you factor in ANYTHING that comes in contact with B17 and not just the paint chips and rinse water, that means gloves, rags, clothing, PPE, strainers, tanks... it's all hazardous waste. Even if you don't think it's hazardous, the inspector has the last word. Don't agree with him? No problem, take a sample down to the local lab, spend a bunch of money checking for heavy metals in a TCLP test (commonly refereed to as tee-clip) and go from there.

By the time it's all said and done, the disposal is the least of your worries. You'll be happy to hand over hundreds or thousands of dollars just to get rid of this stuff. Some of the things you will need to get in order before contacting a hazardous waste disposal facility include material safety data sheets (MSDS), spill containment trays (capable of catching 110% of the volume stored), HazCom program (how and which employees deal with the hazardous material), Hazardous Spill Kit (large enough to contain accidental spills), personal protective gear (PPE, OSHA compliant), contact information and an account with a 24/7 emergency response clean up company, GHS labels on all containers, buildings and equipment (Globally Harmonized System)... I'm sure I'm forgetting a few other things.

I share this information not with the intention to overwhelm or discourage anyone, I just want to simply state the facts based on my own experience. It can be a daunting process, but if managed correctly, it will just be another one of those "cost of doing business" things that we all have to deal with.

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Re: B17 Strainer/Filtering - What do you use

Post by Chrisyeager12 » Wed May 03, 2017 11:38 pm

[SM]Juan wrote:
Chrisyeager12 wrote:Your pepsi bottle is a hazardous waste is so said and same with your house hold bleach ? Do you call in the specialists every time you drink a pepsi or every time you clean your bathroom?
Chris, I have no horse in this race man (other than we all have to share this planet)... but I can assure from experience that a Pepsi soft drink and a barrel of B17 are very different things, and as such their disposal and environmental impact are treated differently.
Skip out the bleach? I'm pretty sure any normal household has bleach in it's supplies stashed under a sink or in a closet. I wouldn't say B17 isn't FAR off from that for sure.

But the fact people have open containers and they even make the thing doesn't concern WiseAss? But the way I dispose of paint chips? Either way the paint chips are going to evaporate the B17 (After being neutralized.....) How is this any different than it evaporating off from the container was my point I was trying to get to. That i guess I didn't pronounce.

One way or another you dispose of trash, and it all goes back into the earth or into the air NO MATTER HOW YOU DO IT.

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Re: B17 Strainer/Filtering - What do you use

Post by WiseAssYT » Thu May 04, 2017 12:37 am

Juan Good posts and well worded !

B-17 is on a whole different level than bleach !

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Re: B17 Strainer/Filtering - What do you use

Post by SCOTTRODS » Thu May 04, 2017 7:37 am

That's more along the lines of what I was thinking, Juan... but with a ton more info for sure. Thanks for that.

I forgot to add that I did neutralize what I evaporated off as well... Still Hazardous stuff... that's why I got rid of it. It actually took me 2 summers to evaporate all of it off... but still used it the first summer thinking it would dissipate much faster... It's been a while since I did the research on the disposal stuff. Pulling from memory was all I wanted to do for this discussion... I know a few people who use up this stuff at a rate of about 20 gallons a month... drip and rinse off losses... I can't imagine using it that much... I didn't ever use it as much as that... Glad to be rid of it for sure.
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Post by [SM]Juan » Thu May 04, 2017 10:26 am

Chrisyeager12 wrote:
[SM]Juan wrote:
Chrisyeager12 wrote:Your pepsi bottle is a hazardous waste is so said and same with your house hold bleach ? Do you call in the specialists every time you drink a pepsi or every time you clean your bathroom?
Chris, I have no horse in this race man (other than we all have to share this planet)... but I can assure from experience that a Pepsi soft drink and a barrel of B17 are very different things, and as such their disposal and environmental impact are treated differently.
Skip out the bleach? I'm pretty sure any normal household has bleach in it's supplies stashed under a sink or in a closet. I wouldn't say B17 isn't FAR off from that for sure.

But the fact people have open containers and they even make the thing doesn't concern WiseAss? But the way I dispose of paint chips? Either way the paint chips are going to evaporate the B17 (After being neutralized.....) How is this any different than it evaporating off from the container was my point I was trying to get to. That i guess I didn't pronounce.

One way or another you dispose of trash, and it all goes back into the earth or into the air NO MATTER HOW YOU DO IT.
I skipped out the bleach for the sake of brevity. However, since you insist on comparing apples and oranges in such a preposterous way, here are the MSDS for B17 from Benco and Bleach from Clorox:

https://www.bencosales.com/sds/B17-SDS.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

https://safety.vanderbilt.edu/msds/prod ... bleach.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

B17:
Dichloromethane 55-65%
Phenol 12-20%
Formic Acid 12-20%
Hydrofluoric Acid 1-5%


Bleach:
Sodium hypochlorite 5-10%

Please recognize that I'm not trying to distort or confront your own ideas in any way, but I cannot allow someone on this forum to make blanket statement like "Pepsi, household bleach, and B17 paint stripper are the same thing" as it directly impacts the health and safety of other forum members and possibly deteriorate the environment.

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